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Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.05 17:26:00 - [1] You can see the volume traded via the graph, its the green bar located along the bottom half of the graph, or if you choose the "See Table" button, you can actually see the individual volumes per day. When looking at market info, the length of time you want to view is wholly dependent on the item being traded and what info you are attempting to obtain. An example of this would be the yearly graph for trit, you can see each spike corresponds with patch releases. Zero down into the 6 month view and you can trace out where the spike started circa Orca announcement. (something not easily viewable in the year view) Your strategy of trade will change as you volume and capital increases, I won't go into specifics but I will tell you that eventually you can get to the point where individual region, or 3 jump orders, etc.. will become meaningless and you can start to focus more on individual orders strategically placed in a single station. This of course assumes your trading in what I think you might be trading in. Post your wholesale wants in the want to buy section of the forums. You'll get bites pretty easily and its not hard to find corporations in game who are willing to setup dedicated purchase or sale contracts.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.11 01:42:00 - [2] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 Another question sent to me via evemail, if someone would like to answer this that would be great. I've got no answer that I feel is adequate for this question. Question: I'm looking to get into manufacturing after having spent the majority of my short eve life in missioning. I've got a small amount of isk saved up, a couple billion, and I'm wondering what the best course of action would be. I've identified several T1 items that I'm interested in and that I have ran the numbers for. 1. Should I purchase the BPO's off the market and then research them or buy researched bpo's? (I've found some researched but they are quite a bit more expensive). 2. How should I handle the movement of minerals from, say, Jita to my manufacturing hub? 3. How should I decide on where to concentrate my sales if the main hubs show fairly even sales data? (split it amongst them?) Thanks in advance. I'll take this one 1. Opinions are split and it depends on how much time you really have or want to invest in the operation. Option A, you purchase the BPOs researched already. If you scour the sell forums and contracts market very often you can get originals researched at a steal. This of course, takes time and it may take longer than you planned since you have to wait for BPO you want to come up. Option B, you purchase the non researched prints and join a research alliance or have someone research them for you. You get what you want, and very likely get it sooner. The trader in me mandates that you go the research alliance route since its pretty easy to get a research alt up, and you don't have to worry about handing your prints over to someone you don't know. I'm to lazy at the moment, but I'm sure someone can link to one of the many research services. 2. It depends on your volume really. In the case of my capital production arm, I contract most of my mineral movements out. Paying a freight service to pick up my minerals and move them 3 or 8 jumps out depending on my build location. Alternative you can move them yourself. This of course assume you can fly a freighter, since you will be burning through that much minerals. You can supplement this by having perfect reprocess and purchasing compressed minerals from one of the few compression services still left in EVE as well. Also, you can add to your growing stock by placing buy orders at your build location for minerals and accepting the steady, albeit slow, influx from there as well. This will alleviate some pressure on the amount of minerals you might need. 3. If you are getting into T1, margin is important but volume is king for the most part. Its better for your inventory to move fast than it is at the best regional price. Sure someone may be selling Thorax's at 7m in Ours, but maybe you can move twice the amount at 6m in Dodi for instance.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.12 20:45:00 - [3] Originally by: Dakt NiRuthgar I have a vague sense of what they mean, but I didn't want to assume anything and was wondering what that meant in more concrete terms. Thanks everyone. Manipulation is the effort you exert using your inventory and orders in an attempt to move prices one way or the other for your benefit, whether that be profit or lowered cost for building. There are many ways to actually manipulate (see my post regarding trit some time back... thanks everyone for dumping inventory ) but in the end its about using various skills as a trader to move prices in your favor.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.12 21:02:00 - [4] Originally by: Dakt NiRuthgar So as a concrete example - if I want to lower the prices of trit - I would stockpile trit over a long period of time and start flooding the market with trit to affect the overall market price of trit? (or start major mining operations to convert roids into trit on the market?) Or if I want to increase prices, to use margin traded buy orders to set up inflated buy orders so that people will sell me at high prices. If there are enough of these, then you might be able to fool the rest of the community that this is what the prices should be, and watch it climb? Or (simply) buy all the sell orders and repost at higher prices? More or less, yes its that simple.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.14 04:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Svetlana Kyresh If I am warping in a transport ship fitted with a Covert Ops cloaking device, and an interdictor pulls me out of warp, will I remained cloaked or get de-cloaked (assuming nothing is within 2km of me)? You stay cloaked, allowing you easy time enough to get out of the bubble, warp to a safe spot or another gate and wait for the camp to move.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.16 18:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Snasty Edited by: Snasty on 16/12/2008 16:07:12 Quick one... 1st - Does the Contracts Manager Role in corp management also give by default access to the deliveries in all stations..? 2nd - Where is the best place to ask corp management related questions, it isnt CAOD thats for sure...!! Thanks in advance for your wisdom... 1. Yes, but it does not give them access to the corp mgt assets window so they can actually see whats in deliveries. Its a big annoyance, since you need director level access for that. 2. Science and Industry usually however we field plenty of corp mgt related questions here as well.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.16 18:29:00 - [7] Originally by: Snasty Thanks for the reply. Can I pick your brain a tad more. I can see the annoyance from your point of view, people can collect from deliveries but they may not know where they are, right? But, in my situation I want to be able to give one member some production roles that will involve a bit of trading, factory management and contracts roles, so, he will be able to collect his contracts, buy orders and production jobs but the corp is "sort of" protected from him also taking everything else unless he visits stations looking for populated deliveries hangers. Correct? They will be forced to fly to each station on the assumption or previous knowledge from their journal/transaction/contract history that something is there for them in the deliveries window. You can as a CEO or director, drop these items into their hanger for pickup as well so that they can see them from their asset window though. This is the way we handle it, taking 20 minutes each week and sorting through the corp assets window and dropping into hanger the items where they are needed. As such, part of the requirements in our trade order system is limiting the orders to individual stations. This helps minimize the amount of sorting required. But no, the only way they can know where an item is, like they might be used to through their own asset window, is to have director access. Which sorta negates your security on any hangers.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.18 18:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Snasty When the attempt to unlock an item is made the error states that the player does not have the equipment config role. Providing that role allows unlocking but is that how it works? Does a player need that role to just unlock an item in a container in a hanger? Yes, there is a work around but I cannot for the life of me remember it at the moment. I take this is related to your structuring of your builder roles within two different stations, or hangers?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.19 13:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Ray McCormack Originally by: Snasty Does a player need that role to just unlock an item in a container in a hanger? Yes. And just to drive it home, I toyed around with some of the builder roles we have setup and there really is no work around. You'll have to separate things between your regular hangers and high sec hang.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.19 16:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Galimbu Kind of a weird question but as a new hauler/trader I keep seeing this: Why are courier contracts created with a collateral that is far, far, far more than the worth of the goods being moved? To make sure you don't steal the stuff

Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.20 20:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Mohram So when people buy up all of one resource in a region and make new sell orders for more money, are they banking that no one has surplus stock they can dump onto the market? Yes, generally speaking when doing so you'll assume for a period of whatever the build time is that people will be working off limited inventory and or time in importing goods. This works well in regions where the main hubs are technically outliers from other major hubs. Dod to Ours to Jita for instance. So I'll buy every single Ishtar on the market and resell at a 15% mark up knowing that I have at least 3 days before anyone can make a significant impact on the inventory there.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.25 05:12:00 - [12] I'll shoot, it'll be quick and dirty though, Someone else can expound on it. Yes at times the outlier trade locations will shift on you, generally speaking what you'll see is an ebb and flow from lvl 1 mission running locations to lvl 4 mission running locations. I think in Lonetrek.. if my memory serves me right, you'll want to track down the lvl 2 through 4 agents for both Navy and RSS. At times you'll also see a shift as people move operations between entry points, as not all low sec entry points are single choke holds. There are multi entry points into Venal if Im remembering correctly, so you'll see increase and decrease in trade accordingly as people shift between locations. A third one to track are RnD, lesser attention is paid but the research remains the same. As datacore prices shift, people will grind out missions for the respective corps that offering the highest rewards for each science area. You'll want to get on the eve agent search and narrow it down for your region. For instance I think in Lonetrek, Nonni benefits from having both a mid level RnD corp, low sec entry point, and a decent quality lvl 4 agent (someone will correct me if Im wrong) When it comes to volume it really does depend on how willing you are to sit on stock. A good indicator of how long you'll want to sit on any given item is to take a look at its build speed. How long would it take for you to build an item of the same? In my honest opinion you don't want to hold onto anything that much longer, but at the same time if you can have a constant turn over, without excess inventory build up there is nothing wrong with a low margin. The reason I mention build time, is all to often its easy for a new trader to get caught up in the margin, or the apparent volume just to have a budding industrialist flood the market with product and leave you sitting high and dry on a stack of inventory that'll take you weeks or months to sell. When your capital is low, focus on margin and margin alone. Personally I would look at high level meta market. Maximize your returns and you can worry about volume/movement once your capital grows. You'll get to a point where you can care little about 800m sitting in escrow for a single item. But right now having 10m tied up in escrow with a 20m wallet is pretty significant. Get your wealth moving with maximum return possible.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.12.31 03:56:00 - [13] What Von said, eventually you might just get to a point where profits can justify spending the isk on GTC for throw away market slaves.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.06 13:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Midas Man Originally by: Loaby can someone please explain me the donchian channel? i dont get it. start with adam and eve, please Donchian Channel Best explanation really, although you missed a perfect good Adam and Eve joke there Midas
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.25 02:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Lord Zarcam ...snip... I know this isn't totally market discussion related but I figured it might help those of you farming standings for broker fees. You want to do your best to avoid storylines, always decline them. Never take the standing hit. Also when farming corporations, your best best to avoid any standing hits by accidentally killing a caldari navy, or gal fed navy is to stick to courier missions only. In this regard you ram your corporate standings up, keeping your faction even for everyone and in general lower your broker fees for those corporate stations the easiest.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.01.25 15:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Petyr Baelich Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Lord Zarcam ...snip... I know this isn't totally market discussion related but I figured it might help those of you farming standings for broker fees. You want to do your best to avoid storylines, always decline them. Never take the standing hit. Also when farming corporations, your best best to avoid any standing hits by accidentally killing a caldari navy, or gal fed navy is to stick to courier missions only. In this regard you ram your corporate standings up, keeping your faction even for everyone and in general lower your broker fees for those corporate stations the easiest. If you're only using one alt to trade everywhere, yes. Otherwise I'd say do as many storylines as possible and get that faction standing as high as possible. Broker fees are weighted more towards faction standing than corporate. If you know you're only going to be using a couple hubs, no reason not to get your alt as high as possible to those factions. Agreed. Remember though most new traders are only going to be using that single trade alt before the bug really catches them.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.19 13:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Morgan Grim I think I figured it out. I think Orders is how many separate purchases were made on that specific day, and Quantity is the total items bought from those purchases on that day. Yes. Orders is how many actual completed purchases (either bought or sold) were made during the course of the day while volume is the total amount moved that day. When compared to the min/max/median price along with the trending graph you can get an idea of what any given item actually moves at. A good example is some meta items, where even though there are sell orders at the max for instance, the median price has it close to the min. This would denote that the bulk of the volume moved was actually at or near the buy price.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.28 04:35:00 - [18] Each of the faction navies seed the BPOs for capital parts and modules. Cannot remember the exacts of each but most of the navies carry every part except for a select few. I'll see if I can dig up the link which lists all the locations
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.04.06 13:24:00 - [19] In addition to what Athre has stated, I'll get more complicated. Buy everything and hold, relisting only limited items at select stations. More specifically mission running and pirate hubs. This works well on items which have a delayed manufacturing time and are difficult for your average joe to transport. T2 ships for instance, specifically HACs and AFs are silly easy to manipulate up or down when the weather is right for it. IN any item you attempt to manipulate up though, you always have to keep in mind where any extra supply might possibly come from. So always have in the back of your mind the manufacturing times and M3 amounts it might take to bring more product into your region. Funnily enough, Miner IIs are also stupidly easy to manipulate as well. Again the key to remind yourself that you're not competing with the lowest regional price. You are competing with yourself to test and see how high you can get any one station before sales start slacking. I've sold Miner IIs in lonetrek... not but 3 jumps from Jita... for almost 700k per unit at times. When had the person just made a few scant jumps they could have saved themselves half the price.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.04.24 12:56:00 - [20] Originally by: Superfuzz I have a question; at what point does it become viable to start trading in t2 modules? I've made a 200% profit in a couple weeks but it went down from about 300% at the beginning to 150% because of the relentless undercutting and micromanagement that had to be done after the first few sales. Whenever you feel you have sufficient capital and the knowledge of movement on the items you'll be extending into.

Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.04.26 01:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Soupea I have a question related to market purchases and standings. Are the purchase prices of certain items, say trade goods(coolant) or blueprints (bpos), affected by your standings to the race and/or the npc corp you are buying said goods from? No, only the fees in taxes are affected by standing.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.04.30 12:02:00 - [22] Originally by: tom ternquist My question is about the contracting system: Is it possible to put up WTB contracts for bpcs with specified numbers of runs? Like a WTB for a 10-run raven bpc? Yes, but often you'll find it easier to find one of the numerous copy services in the WTS portion, or contact any one of the 4 major research alliances since every single one of them have corps in them which can run you copy services (and often have access to prints already) /self plug //I can copy anything and everything in game for whatever your needs, just contact me
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.05.08 13:16:00 - [23] Originally by: Xeranasis Good morning. I'm still reading and re-reading through the Stickied threads, and I have one question at this time. Is there a community approved "template" for relatively small IPO's, currently in use at the moment? I'm examining the idea of "micro" ventures. I'm a new player to EvE, obviously, and I have next to nothing in assets, and so for the foreseeable future ISK measured in "millions" is the level of the game I expect to play at. So, I am just looking to get some solid, up-to-date advice on the in's and out's of that all important IPO mechanism IF I ever decide to tempt fate with a micro-venture IPO. Thanks very much. X. Nope, but Hexxx's template can easily be modified to fit most any venture honestly. Obviously you don't need to expound as much but the format works and it works well for soliciting discussion, critiques, accolades, etc...
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.12 18:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Trip Nichols This might have been asked already but I've not the time to look through all the pages, and I haven't yet found a guide to explain this: Is it possible for someone here to put in as simple terms as possible, what shares are and how they work? And are they a marginally lucrative trading enterprise? I'd start here They have limited power in EVE in that votes can be issued and voted on for various purposes like locking unlocking prints, etc... When you issue dividends through the corporate wallet each share is issued that dividend.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.12 18:27:00 - [25] Originally by: Tyatki I have question about selling goods. Lets say I'm selling some Mexa. When I click sell this item it pops up with a sale price of 25.00Isk. When I click on the market info it shows the buyer is 2 jumps away (I'm assuming that's what the green highlight means) but under buyers it shows someone in the same system as I am willing to pay 27.70Isk. How and/or why does the Market pick and chose buyers? Is there a way to switch it to a direct sale to the in system buyer paying 27.70 or will I have to open a sell order? Each order has a range, either station, system, or region. When you click on sell the market system brokers your order to the nearest match by range and then price.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.06.29 18:43:00 - [26] Originally by: StillbornOne hi. i am trading with cruise missiles in the citadel region. for 4 days now the quantity of wrath cruise missiles sold in the citadel dropped from 12m to about 2m average. with it came a huge price-dumping. i have absolutely no explanation for that phenomenon. does anyone have an explanation why the quantity dropped by 85% when it was stable before that for months? Market activity in mission heavy areas can often come in waves as people migrate between the various agents up to their max quality lvl 4's for that particular corporation.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.07.16 15:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Dzil Originally by: PecuniaNon Olet Hi, i need to trace some of my market transaction, unfortunately i can only go 1month backwards in my wallet history. Is there any way how to access older logs (i need only last 3months logs aprox.)? Unfortunately no. The only way to do this is to proactively dump your market logs periodically, and append them together. The unique transaction ID can help you throw out duplicate records. I believe some of the player made tools (EMMA and so forth) do a lot of this for you. I made a homebrew system that I still play with from time to time, I might make it public some day if it gets decent enough but at the moment it's a clumsy piece of crap that only it's daddy could love. EVE MEEP EMMA EVE Wallet Those are the three I can think of off the top of my head that keep the transaction log you dump into them from your API.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.08.04 13:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Zamaranth Sesta Originally by: Hamno Remember all those people who talk about how uber they are at pvp? You get the same types in market trading so dont worry about others 'results' to much. I guess that's probably about it. Thanks. As I mentioned I've been doing fine making some extra change making wide spreads in my mains area in light volume but I'd sure like to figure out a way to make these easy hundreds of millions people suggest are laying around out there. I don't like missioning though so I'll trade more even if it really doesn't make as much. I guess I should start posting on a real charcter that I've trained enough to get a face on the forums with. When station trading, especially in a place like Jita you have to realize that no matter what item you have it will move and move fast. Worry less about the margin of an item and worry more about the velocity of your isk. Think of it like this. I buy item A in station B move it to station C and it takes 3 days to sell. I make 15% margin on it. I sit at a station and buy 30 of item A in station C and move all 30 in those same three days. I only make 3% margin though. Which one is better for your play style is more the question though. Also contrary to popular belief you can trade in major hubs and not have to babysit your orders. Analyze the movements of items across time, relate those items to similar items or high/lower items in material chains. Note how all things are related. Once you have those movements down you can very well and reliably predict price fluctuations in nearly every item in EVE. As an example, there are a few loot drop items.. Meta 2 to be specific (I'll let the interested observer figure out which one) which refine to heavy in specific minerals. As the volumes of these meta items go up and down you can predict the price movements of those minerals the loot is heavy in. You can then setup buy orders as the price points you think the mineral will move to, and just wait for it to go there.

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